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Obama’s Appeal To the Voters Of 2020
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Some on the right are getting their knickers in a twist about Obama’s proposed address to all public school children on Sep 8th.
I’m not that concerned. A couple of things do bother me, firstly, if as the timing suggests, the address is all about health care and getting the little Harry’s and Henrietta’s to persuade Mommy and Daddy that supporting reform is a good thing, then I think that is inappropriate. But I have seen no evidence that this is the case. Secondly, amongst the teaching aids related to this address, two related questions teachers are told to ask of their children are:
What do you think the President wants us to do?
Does the speech make you want to do anything?
While in a context free situation, these questions are fairly innocuous, connected to each other, they are somewhat leading. But again, without the context of Obama’s speech, one can’t determine whether these questions are innocent or insidious.
Right wing parents are talking about withholding their pupils from school on that day. That’s madness. The Presidency has always been a position that commands respect, regardless of the office holder. Sure, that respect has been diminished post LBJ/Nixon (and certainly during the Bush Presidency), but the youth should be encouraged, not discouraged, from respecting the Office of President regardless of the office holder.
But there is an even better reason for children going to school that day, and it is the so what factor as this insightful comment tells us:
Besides which, I know from experience that my boy is going to tune out any speech lasting longer than 30 seconds in favor of poking the little kid sitting next to him.
Lest we forget, for those who think this a dastardly evil plot for domination of the young, this event is supposed to take place on Sept 8th. As the planes flew into the World Trade Center on Sept 11th, George W Bush was at a school also.
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President of the United States speaks directly to US school children.
The evil bastard!
Must be a socialist plot.
Ronnie
like I said I’m not too concerned. But let me ask you this. If during the height of The Iraq war, it was announced that Bush was going to address all the school children in America, and that as part of the related teaching aids, all the children were to be asked “How can I help President Bush”, would you be as unconcerned? Do you think the American left would just laugh it off as an irrelevance?
Just asking.
It wouldn’t bother me. I still remember the days when the President was the President and was obliged and entitled to speak to all Americans as often as possible.
As for the American Left, I have no doubt that they would react just as hysterically as their cousins on the Right are doing now. I want no part of it.
Ronnie
Ah. But what if it was Gordon Brown?
THX
Remember how you said the Tea Party movement was an irrelevance. Woops!
Cabbie.
As long as you promise me that he won’t try to smile.
Cabbie
I was being Ironic or maybe it’s moronic
C. Cabbie,
What bothers me about this is that it isn’t put into the context of ‘country’…it’s all about Obama.
It’s about cult…exactly how the Nazis and Communists sold their leaders to the public.
Read the questions for the little impressionable tykes that the liberal teacher’s have devised for this event…What can you do to help your president?, etc.
I remember as a child of twelve or so… a young German woman who was a neighbor that spoke glowingly of Hitler. She was perhaps eight or nine when Hitler came into power…so you can imagine the mental effect his propaganda still had on her years later.
At my young age, I was shocked that she would still adore a man like Hitler after the carnage he wreaked. She was a zombie-like worshipper when it came to Hitler.
We’ve all seen videos of children singing in praise of Obama and young black boys marching and swearing obedience to Obama.
This has to nipped in the bud and quickly.
The bud-nipping has started.
My feeling is that Obama’s star is fading at warp speed with adults…so he has turned his attentions to our vulnerable children.
Your are correct Ronnie…he is evil incarnate.
Next week he is having a pets’ day.
Ronnie,
Cute…but, let’s face it cuddly little puppies and kittens can help sell a message too.
An American.
Do you realise that you actually used the word ‘perspective’ today, on another thread?
Lets all imagine we are kids and we get to answer these two stupid questions. How would you all answer?
What do you think the President wants us to do?
Denounce Conservatives.
Does the speech make you want to do anything?
Denounce Conservatives.
Is the text of the talk available yet?
From all the hyperbole coming from the far right I’m expecting it includes an invitation to the White House to do shots of tequila.
Yes Morgan, shots of tequila and lots of denouncing Conservatives. Especially close relatives.
won’t he sending all children of conservatives of retraining camps
I wonder where he could of got that idea
Jesus Camp – Get em young
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0486358/
Best not to watch the trailer Cabbie if you’re still touting the GOP as a nice place for gays.
Ronnie:
Well, I guess that’s better than speaking to them about reading and doing well in school.
Next thing you know we might have a nation of children who develop a love for books..and you know what that means Classrooms full of *gasp* Elitists!!
lol..Today I’m just going to stay amused at some of this off the wall fear-mongering.
ronnie
me too. but i cannot remember any of them asking for support for themselves. what i recall is that they asked for support for the country.
how do you spell narcissism?
Shockwaver. As far as I know he hasn’t spoken yet so I can’t comment on what he said.
Books, Morgan, books!!!!
We don’t have time for any of that. Next you’ll be talking about thinking.
ronnie
quote from the preK-6 guidelines distributed to all schools by dept. of ed.
this just one example of the kind of stuff that was in these pre-talk instructions.
the doe has withdrawn and replaced much of this since the public uproar.
No..no..and heck no. I’m not going to go THAT far. I’m simply going to write up a few cue cards with the words “Socialist”, “Fascist”, “Communist”, “Brownshits”..and the phrase. “This is how the Nazi’s started!!!”
Efficient as I can simply flash one of these in response to an argument rather than let anything disturb my following Glen Beck’s tweets.
Its times like this when I desperately miss William F. Buckley, Jr.
And Shockwaver…? What do you want me to do?
I think that kind of ‘interactive’ bullshit is ridiculous but not yet another sign of a fascist coup.
THX,
Good morning from Redneck Country…
Training camps for Conservative’s children…hmm…I’m sure they’ve thought of that too…but it will have to be over Conservative parent’s bodies…I’m sure they’ve thought of that too.
Along with Obama’s propaganda ploy…they are going to be telling the children to read books about Obama…awww, isn’t that sweet!
THX
In reality, they don’t have to send our children to commie camps, they’ve co-opted the school for the past 40 years…
Hitler youth = Obama youth
Strength through joy!
Oh gawd Ronnie. I’m not feeling good enough to laugh that hard..lol.
Hi An American I was joking but I don’t think you are.
Perhaps that’s watch Bush meant when he said “No child left behind”
Of course it all makes sense now
ronnie
i do not think this kind of bull$#!t is a fascist coup either.
i do not expect you to do anything.
the theme i see in obama is that much of it is always about obama and not the country. that is why i called it narcissism in an earlier comment.
Shockwaver. I agree with you. In many ways he resembles Blair and he occassionally makes verbal slips that provide more evidence of hubris (I can spell that more easily).
A question, when you are running your scientific experiments, do you run around shouting and screaming before you have analysed your results and compiled your evidence?
One of the best things about the asshattery of the right wing pearl-clutching is that it is another example of the infinite memory void of the right wing echo chamber.
President George H W Bush:
http://www.nytimes.com/1989/09/13/us/bush-urges-youngsters-to-help-friends-on-drugs.html
As well as this piece of dumb hackery from from the three stupids on f**kwits and friends:
http://www.dailykostv.com/w/002100/
If you can be bothered, which l doubt, you can read the full transcript.
Or you can just recite the talking points which of course is a lot easier.
Ha!!
Even l missed this one:
http://mediamatters.org/blog/200909030020
Also missed this:
http://firedoglake.com/2009/09/03/this-is-who-you-are-negotiating-with/
ronnie
some experiments are such catastrophic failures that no analysis is required. only diehards who cannot face facts dig in and believe something can be salvaged.
there is a distinction between being optimistic and being a fool, at least as far as scientific experimentation is concerned.
Ah Israel. If only logic and reason led them. Most won’t address the facts you present because that’s the way of reason and reasonable exchange of ideas.
Much better to wring your hands in fear, to say “America is Lost!!” only because your choice lost an election. Many of us on this side of the Atlantic love our Republic, but only when it gives us what we specifically want.
Ah Morgan.
If only logic led you.
Why do I sense you are somewhere around sixty and a former trophy wife?
America is lost, due to your generation.
Thanks.
Which side of the Atlantic are you on?
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Liberty:
Wow.
Well that was trhe response of a complete bitch!!
I wonder if you are one of those christianists who sit in church passing judgement on others while doing something you shouldn’t.
Oh yeah, forgot.
You right wingers don’t do anything wrong do you?
There are no lies told which you don’t repeat. all for political purposes.
The policies of the last administration which you slavishly followed was the catalyst of the economy being where it is, as well as the other failures in the US, but of course you will blame it on giving mortgages to poor people, which is far easier for you to stomach.
It must be nice sitting in that sterile ivory tower of your’s looking down wit htears streaming, and like that sad white woman at the town hall (or better the crazy Eileen lady) giving a lameting call for “your” country back, otherwise known as “How the hell did that black guy become president?” .
Sad and spitefull, full of impotent malice.
One of the best examples of right wing thinking at the moment.
Holy F**king Shit!!!!
This guy gets 3 million Americans to watch his TV show nightly?!?!?!?!?!?
This is one of the current authority figures on the right passing out the message?
Okay, it’s a message of fear, but still…….
I now think that there are major bets being placed for when the on-air meltdown finally happens and the men in white coats put him in that jacket that buckles up at the back, hence the viewing figures, because if the 1% of the US populace who watch this moran’s mental disintergration into Alex Jones territory really do share his views thatis a far more terrifying prospect. That’s if Murdoch doesn’t order the plug pulled first due to embarressment or lack of sponsors, now at 47, contrary to previous reports including a company who have requested their adverts removed but faux have refused:
http://www.politicalbrawlhall.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&p=101348.
Olbermann may be taking the piss in this segment but this guy is becoming seriously unhinged.
Sorry, scratch that he is seriously unhinged.
And to think people here were critical of me nicknaming him Howard Beale!!!!!
Yes, shockwaver, I was refering to the discipined methodology applied to get an answer and not trying to fit your experiment around conclusions that you may have jumped to earlier.
Liberty:
Not close to 60, though my age is hardly relevant.
If it makes you feel better to come up with fantasies not grounded in fact feel free.
A tad juvenile, definitely simplistic..but perhaps its a cultural thing.
Israel,
Funny, I thought the same thing about Morgan that Liberty did. The first comments she made here, she professed to be a Republican and to be very wealthy while continuing to allude to it…which I find unseemly. She may be rich, but she’s a Republican in name only.
Morgan has contributed little to this blog except a little flirting and agreeing with the liberals among us. She’s the type of American that puts down America and Americans with her foreign hosts to ingratiate herself with them.
Come on Israel….call me a Bitch too.
My Gran and her sister used to do this, sitting in the corner of a room, arms folded on their bossoms, lips pursed, like too old crows; judging eveyone, commenting on their inferior character, questioning their very right to occupy the same space.
Of course they never actually met the targets of their collective malice, they were too scared to engage with new people, it was just a self-assuring game they liked to play.
Ronnie,
There are just some people who just irk you…what can I say.
Ronnie:
Differences of opinion can be difficult for some people…though the story weaving gets a tad tiring. I stated I used to be a Republican, and now was a moderate Independent.
I’m rather comfortable without the party affiliation..neither one is particularly charming at the moment.
Yeah, well its not a good idea to get irked to the point where you start to let yourself down in public.
Old presbyterian saying.
Morgan,
Awww…yes, a moderate Independent who voted for ‘my president’ Obama. The kind of person who can fence-sit until the very last minute and then vote for who they believe is in the lead and will win…
It’s always good to be on the winning side, especially if you happen to be in a business that depends on government largess.
You seem to be living in the wrong century. How about Britain in the 1600’s ?
Ronnie
What I said to Morgan is for you too.
Speaking of Grans…
My Gran and I had a talk about sexuality when I was a young woman.
She gave me an insightful philosophy that fits this political situation.
She said that there are heterosexuals and homosexuals and that was part of the natural world and that is the way God made us….but that the bisexuals simply had no morals.
What a great analogy, huh?
Morgan
A tad juvenile, definitely simplistic..but perhaps its a cultural thing.
So is “Oh Ronnie! LOL!”
Israel
There you go with the race thing again.
I was born in 61- just like Obama.
If you think that many Americans are racist devils, you are simply
wrong.
There is almost no person alive in the U.S. who didn’t live through the period of MLK.
Your Obama is no MLK.
Shame on you for insulting me, because I don’t want a fascist, socialist, weak, crazy country.
Divide and Conquer!!!!
You are smart-how could you fall for it?
Where are people going to go to be free when we are gone?
America has done more to make this world more equitable, intellectual, healthy, creative, free (oh the word the liberals always omit) generous and happy than any place ever on the face of the earth.
Remember WWII?
Where would the world be today if it wasn’t for us?
Simply put..
we have balls.
Israel…I agree with Liberty on the race thing (and the rest of what she said by the way)….please drop the ‘president is black’ thing…it’s ironic that you are the only one on this blog that ever brings up race; oh, THX as well, but as I said before he’s just a guilt-ridden whitey.
I feel no guilt or shame being white.
Liberty,
Obama and his hoods are losing, so they’re pulling our their race card.
There are too many of these ‘racial profilers’ to list here, but suffice it to say that it includes Democratic Congressmen, Democratic Congresswomen, Obama’s Attorney General among others and of course, the liberal media.
Obama and the Democratic party are in the process of setting race relations back decades in the US…but that’s ok with them. Screaming racist has always come in handy as a political tool for them.
OT
I feel no shame in being”olive.” Olive POWER!!!
To All
Rethought the “we have balls” comment.
Should have been “We have a fantastic Constitution.”
Liberty and OT:
Just because you have a black president you think all the racists have gone away?
And here you are questioning my smarts!!!
There has been a dramatic rise in neo-facist and right wing supremicist groups and an ugly undertone to a lot of the arguements being presented, but as you want to pretend to be obtuse about it go ahead, it doesn’t mean it has stopped.
The thing with Van Jones is and example of both the racial aspect with deliberate fear-mongering and the right doing their best to try to protect one of their own for a racist statement they agree with.
Maybe i’m not in the mood to play nice about these two particular acts of self serving bullshit.
Israel,
So…you believe this ‘thing’ with Van Jones is only about him being black?
An American:
This “thing” with Van Jones is about something else and l will address it when l get home
Israel,
I can’t wait…look forward to it.
Israel
You called me a racist when you said that I resented having a black President.
You and I both know that a racist is the lowest of the low.
I am against Socialism. I don’t like the Communist advisors and the fascist leanings of this administration and the left behavior of this Congress.
They are not acting in the best interests of the Country or the World.
I believe that Obama is an empty vessel and this is a power grab by some very sick people.
I wouldn’t mind a little change, or a challenging leadership.
We could all do better.
History tell us that a centralized, preaching, all powerful, know-it-all government does not work.
Do you believe that 65 years ago is so far in the past that nothing bad can happen again?
Do you?
Do you?
Power corrupts.
Freedom evens things out.
Israel
By the way (and this will really piss you off) I believe that Bush was attempting to seed the middle east with freedom.
It was intentional.
It was daring.
It was hard.
I believe he did the right thing.
Israel
Van Jones is a thug.
Van Jones is an example of the kind of Czars that Obama has given great power to change America.
Van Jones is a San Francico extremist who became radicalized while he was in jail. He is deep rooted in radical politics, Black Nationalism, Anarchism and Communism.
Websites have been cleaned of Van Jone’s Communist manifesto. I couldn’t find out why he was in jail either…so much for Obama’s transparent government.
Van Jones plans to use environmental activism to advocate the ultra left’s Orwellian notion of justice…but in reality, he’s just a thug, he wouldn’t know what justice is if it smacked him in the face.
Apparently, it’s Van Jones that’s been trying to destroy Beck because he did several pieces on him and his history…Do we really want Czars and government officials destroying people for telling the truth about them…is this really happening in America? Yes…it is.
Now it’s been learned that Van Jones signed a 2004 petition with 99 other prominant left wing signatories/nuts…he was number 46 on that list. This petition is call ‘Truthers’ and it asks the New York Attorney General for an investigation into high level government people (Bush and Cheney) who may have deliberately allowed the 9-11 attack to occur.
But, he denies he signed it even though it is there for all to see. Like his great friend Obama, we are not to believe our lying eyes.
Obama has made a bad decision yet again…and will continue to retain this thug. Yes, Van Jones will happily use our tax money to destroy us…if he can get away with it.
Israel…I don’t give a squat about racists out in the blogosphere…there will be both black and white racists forever, like Van Jones for example. I am talking about bringing up race on CC’s blog. We are asking you to stop doing it as it’s a cheap-left-wing-can’t-defend-myself-let’s-use-the-race-card-crap-thing. Okay?
Capish??
I don’t think that Israel is obligated to follow your rules regarding what is acceptable or not OT.
If he’s respectful to Cabbie as the Blog owner, and engages with a point of view that he feels he can substantiate I don’t see the problem.
Morgan
We like Israel.
Why don’t you take your bottle of wine and your kneenex (Produced by America) and go back to bed.
Van Jones…the racist
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6gOmIalJVw
Perhaps, Liberty, because some of us, rather than just being rude or yelling loudly, have to conduct business to keep people employed and while I’m here most of mine is done over the internet.
…and tonight its lemon water and broth.
Morgan…I accept your point of view but if I brought up the topic of race in almost every post I would be told to shut up because I am white. I feel the shoe must fit both feet!
BTW…I love Israel; he’s a great guy that I respect.
Tony, I do agree there are individuals that overuse the charge…and I also believe that racism occurs across the spectrum..but I don’t believe that Israel abuses the reference.
I find the references to Nazi Germany that occur here regularly as offensive. I felt the same when bloggers would use that reference in regards to the Bush Administration. That being said, I’m sure they won’t cease
I just thought Val Jones was a 911 “truther” nut not a commie or a racist.
Morgan
I am sorry if I was rude.
I hope you feel better soon.
I am not sorry to spar with you over the comments you carelessly flung out on this site.
Some of your comments about the “teabaggers” were so insulting to me.
I probably have more in common with you than not, but I have chosen to take a distinctly American stance. I have chosen this because of my upbringing and my reading and my view of the world.
Like you I have lived as an expat and traveled extensively.
If you think that all conservatives are trashy, uneducated miscreants, than you need to come home and live with them, (us)
Americans, (if you are a study of humans) are incredibly generous and open and kind and hardworking.
I was asked by a Conservative years ago
“what is it that makes America better than other countries?”
Good question!
I thought.
My answer:
“Because we are diverse. We are not all English, or Japanese, or German..no pure race here. diverse”
In other words..We are the world!
I was proud of myself.
“No”, he said. “It is because of our Constitution.”
think about it.
Thus, the realization that all mankind is the same..which I instinctively knew…but why is it that I TRUST America?
Conservatives honestly believe that the original document works.
Even if it takes us decades to follow it.
Communism fails.
Socialism is a contract for mediocrity.
Liberty
Very nicely said. Thankyou.
Liberty:
Thank you for your words. They are appreciated.
This bug can’t last forever…and I’m lucky. I know individuals with young ones who have gone through this. I know I did that in the past…but am glad not to have to deal with that now.
By the way…I haven’t been over here that long. I arrived with my Visa in May (I believe). Before that I was spending most of my time in the States because of the restriction of traveling on just my passport and most of my friends would probably be described as Conservatives..some very much so.
I am also “distinctly American”…my view is just a bit different..which is okay. When we all have to have the same opinion on everything I will know we’ve failed.
..and again..thank you for your post. It was quite kind:)
israel
your support for van jones, in spite of the factual record, undermines my confidence in your points of view.
Liberty:
ell on your first point? Bullshit. I wrote “Just because you have a black president you think all the racists have gone away?”
The interesting thing is, I DIDN’T MENTION ANYONE ON THIS SITE BY NAME BECAUSE I DON’T THINK THEY ARE RACISTS. I do think that like a lot of right wingers they tut-tut and roll their eyes on issues of race because they want to ignore it or don’t want to admit that members of the parties that they support or are active in are actual racists, like Pat Buchanan, so haveing the fake sighing and fake troubled headshaking is supposed to deal with it. I just assume it’s one stage up from being photographed with their black frien just like Stephen Colbert.
On your second point? Again bullshit. If you conservatives were so against “communist2 or “socialist” government programmes your healthcare reforms would include the removal of medicare. You would not want to be resuced by firemen or have the police deal with crime. You would not want your car to have the safety standards they have, or the foods you buy from the stores to have the FDA regulations that they have. If you work in a dangerous job you would not want the safety standards there enforced, that’s after you get there on the roads payed for by government money. I couyld go on, and probably should but hopefully you get the point.
On your point about President Obama not working for the best of America and the rest of the world? Bullshit.
The stimulus is actually doing it’s job even though the sad sacks in the party you support who are taking the money and gleaning as much political capital as possible over it refuse to admit it, and the only people around the world who have a problem with US foreign policy at the moment are the members of Likund, neocons like Mel Philips, Americans who want their country attacked like Michael Sheurer, and increasingly impotent Dick Cheney who is now seen as a saviour of the right wing by some. Keep in that crowd if you want.
You think that this is a power grab by some very sick people do you? What, like the patriot act or wiretapping americans illegally or signing staements? Shoe’s on the other foot now and now you want to say you are worried? Cry me a f**king river. Maybe if you had joined the “Dirty F**king Hippies” in denouncing the previous actual power grab, not the deranged fantasies of this decades Howard Beale you may have had a little support from some with your tin-foil accusations.
You wouldn’t m ind a little cahnge? Bullshit. Name one thing done in the last 8 months that you have agreed with. I bet if they followed the policies that have failed your country for the last 8 years and left you intghe shit, ie just continued following the status quo, you would have been very happy with that. Well, your lot failed which is one of the reasons why they are now out of power. The only thing that they can do and are doing is obstruct. as l said before on another post Cabbie pointed out that there is a republican healthcare plan but your lot are not interested in promoting that. The game plan is to bring down President Obama’s numbers not increase your own because your shitty ideas have failed and are not wanted apart from by the mid twenties support you have congealed mainly in the south.
You are right about one thing. 65 years ago wasn’t too far away for us to see what an unfettered, preaching, centralised, all-powerful, know nothing but acting the know-it-all government did. That was called the 106 Congress.
OT this is to you:
Thank you for the love but you need to realise thst you are neither the moderator, the owner or the moral compass here. Your personal circumstances in Zimbabwe give you a unique insight into some racial issues but, just as we both don’t need to go to the South Pole to realise that it’s bloody cold, l don’t have to take your interpretation of what the actions of the racists are in America, who are increasingly crawling out of the woodwork because they are being given cover by cowardly republicans too scared to lose votes from an increasingly deranged base, to be the facts.
As l said above, there are things you will tut-tut about, roll your eyes and gloss over. Fine. Do that, but l will be damned before l stick to your interpretation of things. I will stick to the evidence of my own eyes, not someone who believes that President Obama’s mother was involved in a conspiracy 48 years ago just on the chance he would become president.
Israel
Go ahead and live in your own little world.
Oh Yeah.
.there are “secret racists” crawling all over America!
They come to my house and I feed them and give them wine and they SPOUT their racism!!!
Get over it dude.
You are living a life that does not exist.
How little you Brits think of us.
Thanks Hollywood.
Israel,
I’m still waiting for your justifications on Van Jones…please, no comparisons.
Let’s just look at the man…and by the way, he is a handsome man…and try to figure out why Obama would pick such a sicko.
Morgan,
I hope you start feeling better. I went in for my flu shot this afternoon…I’m almost afraid to take the HlNl shot when it becomes available…I’m not sure I trust it.
Are many people there getting the HlNl? It isn’t suppose to be too virulent right now, unless so many people get it that it mutates. Maybe if a person get the first wave of it, they will be protected from a hardier stain…who knows.
Wow…interesting day.
Liberty really got things going.
I do think that THX likes Americans and America a lot…He once said he would prefer living in the US.
We can only hope he appreciates America’s sacrifice for the UK and Europe in WWII. I had three uncles who fought in that war.
He’s young and was raised in a now socialist country and is deep into the arts which is filled chock-full with far-lefties. I’m old enough and strong enough in my beliefs to have been able to avoid that ‘artistic’ indoctrination…
But, for all of that…he’s a very nice fellow and I like him.
And let’s keep the name ‘Asshole’ for Van Jones…he fully deserves it.
An American thanks
I do love America you know that and would move to LA in shot.
Not so young though I’m 47 in 6 weeks and yes that picture I posted from the beach in Mexico was taken last year.
I was raised in the UK of Margaret Thatcher who was a lot of things but certainly not a socialist
Of course I appreciate the sacrifice made by so many Americans to help rid Europe of the Nazis but we musn’t forget the unimaginable sacrifice that the Russian people went through in what they call The Great Patriotic War, to do so would be churlish & ignorant in the extreme.
THX,
You forget that Russia fought to survive as did the Brits…The US could have stayed away an ocean away and watched…but we didn’t.
Now, that truly is sacrifice.
Surely, you can see the difference?
An American I really don’t want to belittle the contribution made by the brave serviceman of the US in Europe but in not in the same league as Eastern Europe
We and you did not suffer as much as, say, Belarus, which lost perhaps a quarter of its population, or the Soviet Union as a whole, with maybe 25m dead.
An American:
Go jump in a lake.
I mean that seriously.
Just like OT you do not control the narrative here so do not assume to tell me which way l choose to respond to your innaity.
What is the reason you have for your overblown rhetorical statement that Jones is a sicko? Do you have one or are you as usual blowing smoke?
Nor is it about justifying Jones to someone who is happy with a sitting member of congress accusing people of being anti-American just like tail-gunner Joe. Just because you’re happy with the mad bint it doesn’t mean that others have to be.
Do you know why Jones has gained so much prominence in the last few weeks?
Well it’s because of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K8R2PDmbmA
Something so stupid and offensive that it took Kilmeade from F**kwit and Friends to call him out on it.
So what happened next? Well, this did:
http://www.colorofchange.org/beck/
Hmmmm……..
The starts of a boycott by this group. But what has that to do with Jones?
Well this is the mission statement for Colorofchange who were started after the ineptitude of the response of the Bush Administration and it’s list of founders:
http://www.colorofchange.org/about.html
So we the combined elements of a boycott of a racist for making a racist statement and a group his defenders can target because the boycott is, contrary to some right wing internet reports, working.
So what to do?
Well first, after whining like a little bitch with the fake crying you try to link them to anything you can, and do so using a whiteboard. Just to make sure. Okay, rational people think you’re a complete f**king nutcase but hey, it’s worth a shot.
Then, you go the complete Danny De Vito in “One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest” and do a long near 7 minute rant about the man and his history using the tried and tested “lets just fling some shit and see what sticks” republican idea. Hell it worked in the past, even though you lot went too far with Vince Foster.
But the thing is, it’s still not working. Advertisers are sprinting away from you and your boss is “giving you the week off2 in the hope that it calms down, but this has no effect. So what happens next?
Well it’s something to shoot you’re load into your pants over. “THIS GUY IS A 9/11 TRUTHER” you screech, and bring on the self hating anchor baby, the queen of the flying monkeys and stalker of small sick children Malkin to have that dark-skinned republican face on tv to show how fair you are. truely you learnt that lesson from Colbert well.
What will this do?
Well, hopefully it distracts from the fact that Beck is an insane, racist, conspiracy theorist and one of his right wing political buddies will go on other faux shows and try to get a response (funny that this self proclaimed “commentator” now wants to act like a journalist and get a response from the White House) from someone other than a faux news host to this. Better yet just leave it up to the “liberal media”.
Now at this point i’m majorly hacked off. Not just by this piece of shit, his fucked up ranting and his fake crying but by the pavlovian responses from sad sacks who nod their heads in agreement with him and who piss and moan about civility, ideals and what it means to be a christian or an american without a fucking clue as to what either seems to be. Wankers who spout on and on about the Ten Commandments while rutting with their friends wives in a christianist doss house in Washington while all the time justifyingthem selves by saying that there are really only Eight, Adultery and False Witness are really shaky.
Jones has said that he has changed in his radical views. Is this true? Well right now, l don’t give a f**k. There. I said it. I’m fed up with people who are apologists for torture, and stupidity, and greed, and for an unfeeling, uncaring group of fakers trying to tell ME that they are the ones in the right when we have seen from the last two election cycles nothing but cynicism, racism, fear-mongering and hubris, which has seen them rejected by the majority of voters.
I’m fed up of the president trying to compromise with a bunch of two faced cowards who say one thing to the camera but are too chicken shit to do anything because they know that if they try to be resposible and calm down the racist craxies who support them they will be ostracized. And finally i’m fed up of people with “scary Blackman Syndrome” finding different ways to try to excuse it because looking in the mirror will just show them how hatefilled and pathetic they are.
So no, i don’t give two shits about the right wing response to Jones. Anyone who can have a blame americans first advocate and hater like Falwell around won’t get me to make a nice response about anything right now.
Israel…my point is that racists exist on both sides of the aisle. Conservatives may literally voice their racism but liberals demonstrate it by keeping minorities suppressed through ‘dependancy policies’ like affirmative action.
Wouldn’t you rather face a man who calls you a racist name to your face than have someone smile at you while shafting your race behind your back? The lefts hatred of minorities is evil because it’s so subtle. They smile and pat minorities on the head while silently using the ‘n’ word behind their backs.
And answer me straight…is Jones a racist, yes or no? An Am and I are waiting for an answer, or maybe you didn’t look at my youtube clip??
Liberty:
Now, l was going to do a bit about how much l like and admire the US but rewally why waste my time with you on that?
I don’t have to justify my views to you.
You, like me, are a person on a blog.
You, like me, have a point of view.
I think that from where you are the racists you invite for whine and cheese don’t email you the jokes they get, that doesn’t mean they don’t exist.
You are part of the crowd that has enjoyed what has happened this summer with the disgusting shouting down of people telling their stories of what happened to their families and their desperate fight for healthcare, including a woman in a wheelchair who somehow didn’t make it onto faux because she was for reform, not against it. The same type that shouted “Heil Hitler” at a jewish man.
Why would a member of the right wing want pople to have access to a better way of life instead of just giving profits to corporations?
Why have a debate when you can have an over 65 scream about socialsim while waving a government cheque?
Why try for meaningful exchanges when it’s easier to send out emails from your WASO church lying about killing granny?
Here’s something for you. Why don’t YOU who are so convinced about the status of things in the US and where you are going see i you can get people who agree wit hyou to sit down with people of the opposite view point and actually debate on issues. No calling each other names, no lies about granny, no influence from lobbyists.
Now l predict, just like with the last two election cycles that if you tried to win an arguement on issues you would lose, which is why your party isn’t even bothering right now.
You have NOTHING to bring to the table, which is why you guys bring nothing. If it was so great you would do your best to promote it but you don’t. Why is that?
OT:
The right wing sneering at afferimative action is really funny, expecially when it comes out of the mouths of people like Jonah Goldberg, or Tucker Carlson, or Cokie Roberts, or Bill Kristol, and expcially when they were talikng about the daughter of a single parent from Puerto Rica who worked hard to become a Supreme Court Judge. I’m sure you get my point.
No, conservatives voice their racism by calling a policy designed to give an oppressed minority the same sort of chance that the people of entitlement (that would be the WHITE majority) have. While the likes of Clarence Thomas are far too busy puling up the laddrr behind them so they can act like the fat kid locked in a choclate shop the rest of us, bar Jessie Lee Peterson, see that meme for what it is, B.U.L.L.S.H.I.T.
You can spout it as many times as you wish as you grumble about why black people don’t want to join your happy little band. I know it makes you feel better.
One thing, don’t have a go at liberals because your lot can’t be bothered to even attempt to hide their racism anymore. It just makes you look silly.
On your Jones piece why don’t you find the entire thing and post that instead of a 30 second soundbite? i know how you hate when people are taken out of context
Do that and then we can see exactly what the question asked was and what his full response is. I’m not in the mood to fumble around another version of the “Wise Latina” crap from earlier in the year.
O. Tony,
Israel may be a liberal, but he is a decent fellow and he knows…deep down…that Van Jones is a really bad dude.
No good will come of this ugly racist’s tenure as a Czar…although I believe that Obama knew and approved of Van Jones’ past behavior…he somehow thought that because he chose him…it would be ok. Ego has a way of blinding people.
It’s interesting that the liberal media..NY Times, ABC, NBC and CBS, etc. is so far protecting Van Jones, probably because Obama’s people called them…but they won’t be able to keep this guy under cover for long…its all coming out and it’s really, really ugly and Obama is naive if he somehow thinks that this won’t reflect on him…he personally chose this guy to be one of his annoited Czars. It exposes him for what he really is.
An American:
Stop yourself now.
I have told you before and l will repeat it.
You do not speak for me.
Right now you are one step away from patting me on the head and calling me a good boy and l am one step away from ensuring we never have a decent conversation again.
Neither you nor OT know my mind and what makes me tick, stop presuming that you do.
Just know that your agressive bigotry in defence of the unhindged racist Beck is stopping me from taking anything you two say seriously.
Says it all:
http://d-day.blogspot.com/2009/09/why-do-hissy-fits-succeed.html
Israel…Please explain why Beck is racist. Your reply will decide my overall impression of you.
Meet The Press on the stupidity of the right wing attack on Obama’s school speech. Even “9/11″ Guilliani makes a good point:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/32713909#32713948
From dairist Hunter on Kos:
http://hunter.dailykos.com/
From where l stand it’s pretty hard to argue.
The extreme is now the nucleus of the party and those in the minority who still have a job are too scared to stand up to them or too busy finding ways to appease them to keep them as voters. Things will get uglier as it gets closer to 2010 and the mid-terms as the Light Brigade charge led by Limbaugh, Beck and Hannity gets mounted and ready to dig it’s spurs in.
Even fictional Presidents get grief if they are a democrat:
http://crooksandliars.com/driftglass/open-thread-16
VIDEO of President REAGAN INDOCTRINATING Students
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/9/7/778071/-VIDEO-of-President-REAGAN-INDOCTRINATING-Students-
You know, the thing the hypocritical right have been clutching their collective pearls about for the last week.
Israel
do you not see the irony in Hunter’s post.
She says the right are:
But then goes on to say:
Which of course is a complete fabrication. The right are identifying the flat out descent into communism as a flat out descent into commuism. Well OK, communism is too strong (it is Hunter’s word, not anyones on the left), but the public option is a flat out descent into socialism, as is the buyout of GM, as is Card check and the Fairness Doctrine, as were many measures in the stimulus bill which empower unions, as is the large amount of money being given to the unions in the health bill.
What because the left have never used the term “fascist” to describe anyone? Come on, let’s have at least the pretence of serious commentary from the left.
This is a perfect description of the way the left protect their so-called poverty and inner city reforms. Look at the timeline. There are poor people in the inner cities. The left recognise this and so spend loads of money on them, turning them into dependents on welfare and dulling any sense of self-responsibility. Now there are still loads of poor people in the inner cities, except now they are drug addled and crime ridden. And the left try to claim that they are doing good. Talk about an intellectual deficit.
If anyone is “all but enslaved to the stupidest, most uneducated, trashiest, most fanatic, most incompetent, most mentally unbalanced, most flat out fucking dumb set of people to ever manage to walk upright.”, it is the type of liberaldom represented by the Daily Kos.