you have put words in my mouth. i have never said he hates the U.S.

“Well how about the Constitution?”

he has repeatedly said that the constitution is flawed in that it only restricts what the government can do. he called the bill of rights a bill of negative rights. i would hardly say he likes it.

he does not like our competitive economic system and would replace it with a more egalitarian one.

when obama looks at America he sees too many victims for my taste. victims condemn themselves to an unchanged future and he cultivates victims.

i would agree he likes the way our system has allowed blacks to go & sit anywhere they
want. it has not always been that way.

one American institution i am sure he likes is the irs.

obama’s race makes absolutely no difference to me. Both God and i know that were a conservative that shares my values to run for president that i would vote for them in a heartbeat. and any liberal that would change my country to socialist “utopia” would earns my resistance and disdain. i do not know if you can ever believe that but i assure you that i do not use God’s name lightly and what i say is the unqualified truth both intellectually and emotionally.

” those who are calling for Secession or wishing for economic failure.”
are a bunch of kooks and are to be shunned.

i chose who to associate with based on character and personality. race plays no role. i am confident that is true of most Americans in spite of suspicions to the contrary, fed by a constant barrage of selective news reporting. America is not what you see on the tube (flat screen).

Well how about the Constitution, which he is there to defend, the school system that taught him, the freedom of and from religion which allows him and others to worship freely, the fact that he can do something his father and other African Americans were not able to do 60 years ago (sit anywhere they want on public transport and in restaurants and go to school with others of different ethnic backgrounds), from reports ond video l havr seen he loves the music and the people and the places where he has visited.

But no matter what l put down here you will still say that he hates your country, not those who are calling for Secession or wishing for economic failure. Why don’t you ask that question of those faux patriots instead?

Conservatives think that the bad things are good.

That’s not it at all. Conservatives believe that good things are good and that bad things are a necessary part of the reality of life. We all make mistakes, it’s just better to focus on the things we’ve done well rather than the things we’ve done badly. Like I said, a positive outlook.

Far left liberals think the good things are bad.

I think far left liberals view anything outside their world view as being bad. The same is true of conservatives of course, but as a conservative, those things outside a liberal world view are more likely to be good for me and therefore I tend to agree with your second premise.

Conservatives think that the bad things are good.

Far left liberals think the good things are bad.

Discuss.

New Labour appears not to agree with my vision but I don’t think they hate Britain,

I agree that neither labour or Obama and his Democrats hate their respective countries. However, I think it’s fair to say that neither are particularly proud of the heritage, culture and history of their respective countries. And like shockwaver and An American, I find that troubling. Our past, good or bad, is what we have. For every bad thing in the past, there is a lot of good. Unfortunately, my perception is that the left like to dwell on the bad things, conservatives like to look at the good things. I know which I think is the more positive and beneficial outlook.

Why don’t you ask Obama, we’re not mind- readers here. Although I suspect that he migh be pretty content that anyone can become President of the United States in a free and fair election.

I’ve said before, everyone has a vision of their country and a lot of us think that our vision is the only true one. I have a vision of the UK and it includes having a fag with a beer at your pub of choice.

New Labour appears not to agree with my vision but I don’t think they hate Britain, they just think everyone should be bored out of their brains while letting the nanny state tell them how to live in perfect, cc TV-monitored, safety.

What does jumped the shark mean…:)

I have no desire to tear your country, it’s history or it’s people apart.

We have enough problems here trying to survive this socialist takeover to worry about any other country. But, I will say that should Obama and cronies succeed in their pursuit…it will affect Australia too, and it won’t be good. Everyone will be poorer, lose their freedoms and be more at risk from an Islamic terrorist takeover. Workers of the World, Unite…will be everyone’s motto.